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here's our interview with professor

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declan hill um the quick thing about

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canada is that this is an absolute

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freaking disaster this is a protest that

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got out of um

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that was so badly mismanaged by the

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local liberal party who are deeply

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corrupt

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incompetence as you know so they were

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utterly unable to handle these guys

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so they've lied

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they've

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created a sophisticated public relations

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campaign to make these guys look like

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nazis

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uh it's outrageous what's happened they

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suspended our civil liberty

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it really is in my opinion a dire

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warning for the rest of western society

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including americans because if they can

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do this to canadians they can certainly

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do it to you guys yeah uh the suspension

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of our bank accounts um and and by the

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way just so that i'm completely clear

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i'm not a right winger as like yourself

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as an independent journalist and thinker

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i try to be completely

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just the facts

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but if i had to choose i'd be a bernie

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sanders lefty progressive that's how i

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was raised

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so when i see those guys and i see those

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protests i'm

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you know they're not my people but i'm

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like i don't care

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we got to defend these people's right to

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protest so if nestor i'm happy to come

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back and make that speech for you and

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talk to you about that because

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i haven't really seen polling in canada

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but what do you have you seen polling or

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if not what do you sense is the view of

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most canadians about it's genetically

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popular and authoritarian regimes

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authoritarian autocracy is always

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popular at the beginning and so when

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justin's dad pierre trudeau put in the

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war measures act back in the 1970s i

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remember my parents saying oh it was

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like the most popular thing the guy did

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it's always hugely popular and

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particularly with the fuhrer that my

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former colleagues at the cbc in the

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mainstream media and canada have done

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equating these guys with racist and

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white supremacists i mean one of the

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weirdest things james was that

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as i'm watching this and as a canadian

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exile i'm just glued to the the screen

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and watching everything i can i'm

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watching these guys and and just just

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for the short quick

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thing to jump in with an american viewer

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or listener they're kind of like the

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same demography

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as the thin blue line supporters would

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so the same type of people who would go

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to a thin blue line

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support the police

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slightly right wing saying here in

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america are kind of what those guys are

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in canada and not quite but it's just

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for a quick shorthand thing but as i'm

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listening to this

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indigenous indian drums and shouting and

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and sure enough the camera turns back

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and you can see there are native

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drummers on the side of the protesters

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so imagine the headspin for you as an

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american there's a thin blue line

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demonstration and the local indigenous

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guys are coming out to support them like

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those guys aren't the natural allies

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like what's going on here and that's the

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that's the seismic shift in canadian

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politics and this is why

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part of the reason why the liberal party

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of canada is cracking down in an utterly

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unprecedented way is because you're

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seeing these coalitions of unlikely

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really challenging the political

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orthodoxy up there and is this

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this national emergency that he's

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declared or martial law or whatever the

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heck it is

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when was the last time that was done in

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canada it was done by his father uh

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pierre trudeau in 1970 and to be fair to

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the father and completely fair to the

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sun the two

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examples are completely you know

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violence on the street there were

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bombings um the

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liberation of quebec you know this

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quebec independence movement was a

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terrorist organization that had

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kidnapped the british consul in montreal

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that was threatening people that you

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know there were bombs going off now it's

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a bunch of unruly guys

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um who haven't done any systemic

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systematic violence they haven't done

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where they ran into the congress and

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they ran around they didn't do that they

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stayed outside they set up little hot

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tubs and bouncy castles for their kids

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so this is an unprecedented disaster for

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civil liberties

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they're now going after the money

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of protesters in canada and protesters

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families yeah i find there's one story

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that fox news reported that i just find

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hard to believe but i guess it's true

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some but sometimes you know networks can

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exaggerate things for a fact that this

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woman donates fifty dollars

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to the cause you know i don't through

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gofundme or whatever and she's got a

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bank account frozen simply by the mere

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fact that she had donated money to the

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uh look i i take your point about

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mainstream media and you know you

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clearly got a biased media you know the

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fox and the what we call rebel media up

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in canada is going to report one side

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mainstream however in general fox has

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got the right spirit about this

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particular story

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and they have clearly identified a major

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peril

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to western societies the suspension of

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democracy and this constitutional stuff

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it's deeply worrying and hat's off to

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fox i'm not always a big fox supporter i

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think sometimes they're too biased but

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on this particular story they've got it

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right and that story of a woman donating

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50 bucks to the truckers convoy not not

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uh you know taking part in the protest

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herself but just sending them money

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is indicative of the mass hysteria which

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is going on in my country so there's a

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cafe in my neighborhood james says you

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i'm from the community i'm from the

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neighborhood where those protests are

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and my local coffee shop you know where

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i go in and i do my little i'm a

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quasi-european with my little

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handkerchief and you know can i have a

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double espresso and they're good they're

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really nice gelato stellaluna they won

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that those contributions were hacked by

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and people in my community

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threatened them said that we're going to

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break your windows we're going to smash

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your we're going to smash your

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restaurant down you know we can't

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believe that you supported these

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truckers so there's a mass reaction

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against the truckers by people who

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really should know better including the

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governing liberal party where they're

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reaching down to local coffee shops to

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single moms who chip in 50 bucks and

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they suspend all their accounts

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so how she's going to take

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her kids to school how she's going to

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provide money you know to feed them i

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but the government has very clearly said

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we don't like people who don't support

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us we don't like people who aren't good

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who are going to protest against us i'll

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give you one more example which fox has

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not reported on to show you and your

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viewers the kind of hysteria that's

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there's an excellent journalist up there

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called david pugh lazy uh he does

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defense contracts i stand in respect for

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mainstream media in my country

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completely lost it and he wrote an

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soldiers and members of law enforcement

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and and the evidence that he brings to

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the table one part of the evidence he

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people were discussing among the

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military why they were anti-vaccine and

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existential threat that the mainstream

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media is reporting that soldiers the

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people who are gonna you know

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you know literally give their bodies for

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their country

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are somehow quote ungovernment and

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unvaccinated or sorry they're discussing

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anti-vaccine they could still be

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vaccinated but the idea they could have

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that wasn't with the government and

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wasn't with vaccine means that they are

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dangerous and they must be criminalized

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and kicked out of the military it's

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shocking times it really is the

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criminalization of political views and

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social views of a

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they're mocking the term freedom it

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seems the the they're making freedom

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you're some crazy nut job if you're

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talking about freedom

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uh look brother it gets much much worse

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than that um i uh you know i wasn't

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covering i wasn't watching this with

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with great interest it was like oh okay

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another protest fair enough you know

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whatever go on and then i started

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that there were nazi symbols on these

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guys flags and i was pretty shocked

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i cannot overstate how on

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nazism is in canada on the left on the

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you know we were on the beaches of d-day

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we remember that we were fighting in

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that war since september 3rd 1939 people

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remember that very very clearly

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and you know you may have the occasional

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creep in his mom's basement who you know

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loves dressing up in vaf and ss uniforms

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my former colleagues in mainstream media

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reporting that these truckers had nazi

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symbolism on it so for the first few

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days i was like oh this is a bit odd but

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like yourself james i started inquiring

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i started looking more and studying more

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closely and i realized that they weren't

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actually nazi symbols

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they were

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equating justin trudeau the prime

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minister with nazism

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that was the quote nazi symbolism that

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they were using it was simply a protest

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but that is the mainstream meme story

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that these guys are

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nazis and stuff it's not just a

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mainstream it's justin trudeau's line

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he's the one that keeps calling them

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nazis thank you again to our guest

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professor declan hill you can check out

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his podcast crime waves wherever you get

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your podcast thank you to our producer

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michael parker thank you all for

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listening we'll be back soon with

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another episode of the hidden tree show

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thank you for listening to the truth

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show with jim breslow

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you can find us at hiddentruthshow.com

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